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Discussions: 'Literature reveals that hatred is often rooted in fear'

Hi!

Here's the next statement for you to have a think about! These discussion prompts are aimed at helping you to hit top AO1 marks by making your essays sound more argumentative. It's excellent revision, because it forces you to think about your texts in different ways!

Please do comment with your thoughts! I won't say 'there are no silly answers', but I will say that we appreciate different perspectives. There's definitely not one single correct answer!

This week's discussion prompt is:

Literature reveals that hatred is often rooted in fear.

Prompts

Here are some prompts to get you started:

  • Which of the texts you're studying would be interesting to talk about for this statement?
  • What does it mean for something to be 'rooted in' fear?
  • What do we mean when we say 'hatred'?
  • Are we talking about hatred of people? In which case, is it hatred of singular people or groups of people?
  • Is your answer different depending on which groups of people you're talking about?
  • Is the answer true for all people in the text(s)? Or is it different depending on a person's identity?
  • Do certain people experience more hatred or fear than others?

You might have your own questions or thoughts, so don't feel bogged down by mine. Either way, comment as many times as you like! I'll be there to watch and add input where we need it.

Zara

A Dolls House and Paradise Lost
Just ideas, may be wrong or half baked but I really wanted to try and answer this even though my texts may not be the best.
For a form of hatred to be rooted in fear, hatred must be the outward expression of this underlying fear. Additionally, for this fear to exist it must be essentially grounded in a sense of possiblity - it must possible to become the source of the fear, often through some kind of moral failing - who decides what is a "moral failing"? Hegemonic patriarchal society. Hatred is the performance that is put on to condemn behaviours that are not accepted within society, the fear is essentially the potential consequence of being caught doing behaviours and/or actions not permitted by society. Hatred is effectively the antithesis of "true" love, for to love something would be to accept it unconditionally, yet if hatred is the outward expression of fear then an entire worldview is affected by these conditions.

So there are effectively 2 types of fear: fear of acceptance and fear of consequence (got there in the end).
In "A Dolls House" Nora and Krogstadt both experience significant self-hatred after having commited acts that go against what society deems as "moral" (well I also guess legal as well since they broke the law but point still stands methinks), yet what is interesting is that their hatred does not stem from a deep moral obligation to adhere to society's logic and definitions of morality. This is seen in Nora's flippant dissmisal of the "law" as "very stupid" corroborating this idea of her not being driven by this socieital morality. In Nora's logic, her actions are moral and justified as they are at ther core altustistic, so her self-hatred cannot come from guilt if she truely does not believe she did anything wrong. Instead both Krogstadt and Nora are driven to suicidal ideation, with both considering throwing themselves in "cold, black water" because of the fear of social and interpersonal consequence of their respective actions. The "consequence" for Krogstadt being fear of the effects on his reputation and employment at a more societal level and his children at an interpersonal level. This manifest in a hatred of Torvald from Krogstadt who states that he will "never forgive him" as Torvald was the cause of him losing his job at the bank. Krogstadt's hatred only disperses as he reconnects with Mrs Linde who intially left him due to monetary and reputational reasons -> this underlying reputational fear is dismantled in a way as he is able to find genuine connection outside of these restrictive confines (eh). In a way it could be seen that Nora's "consequence" is her fear of the effect her transgression will had on her marriage. Torvald's affinity towards aesthetics and beauty is super prevelent in the text, and his hatred of all things that do not fall into this definition of beauty even more so. Through his treatment of Nora, constantly using diminutive nicknames such as "songbird" and describing her features in reductive ways (ie "pretty eyes [and] deliecate little hands" -> china doll(?)) Nora is stripped of agency yes but she also becomes an embodiment of perfection in Torvalds eyes. Even when she dances the Tarantella in an erratic way, not to Torvald's taste necessarily as he remarks it was "more [realistic] than was aesthically necesary" he reaborbs what is clearly Nora's penultimate rebellion back into his aesthetic perfection. On the converse, he hates anything ugly, even Rank says it! "Helmer's a sensitive chap, and I know how he hates anything ugly". In Nora's request for Torvald to not open any letters she says "I don't want anything ugly to come between us till it's all over." Even when Torvald opens the letter that announces Dr Rank's eventual demise, he does not let himself linger, "An ugliness has come between us: thoughts of death and dissolution." then he moves ON!? Torvald's hatred of what is aestheticaly unpleasing is undoubtably rooted in fear as to him ugliness is synonmous with disorder. He is a member of the burgeoning Norwegian middle class of the mid-late 19th Century, the newness of this economic station is omething he guards jealously. He cannot let Krogstadt be employed once again, as he has, in Torvald's eyes - the voice of hegemonic sociey - "[poisoned] his home", "morally destroyed" himself. Through this, Torvald almost becomes a voice of Kantian deontology where adherence to rules is at odds with the consequentialist Nora who instead takes on Mill's contemporary ideas about an action being justified is it ultimately leads to a positive outcome. and ive lost my idea so going backwards:

Torvald
Fear = consequences of disorder/imperfection -> reputational ruin
Hate = towards others who display any of those traits which to Torvald manifest as "ugliness"

Nora
Fear = consquence of her deciet -> a marriage where Torvald takes "responsibility" (didnt really explain it fully but the repeated motif - word really - of a "miracle" is one used constantly by Nora to describe her biggest fear and deepest desire)-> equal partnership. Her fear was not in Torvald not accepting her sacrifice, if you read the last scene you will see that she immediately cries out "you will not suffer for my sake". Her fear was that Torvald would go through reputational ruin for her, which is not her fear, but as she recognises how important that is for him as an attentive 19th century wife, her desire for equal partnership is at odds with his obsession with perfection. She was willing to subdue her own desires for his sake, when she realises he is unwilling to do the same that is when she changes, with even the stage directions of that final scene even describing her "expression growning [cold]".
fear of acceptancing her own agency -> didnt explain this one either, sorry
Hate = Towards herself as she has put her marriage in a position where it is unable to continue as it were

and I am tired now, but yh, how could I refine these very bad scrambled ideas into some points of comparison hypothetically

Shani C.

Zara I love your points! I think I'll break them down in terms of how I'd respond in bullet points!

  • Really nice link there to Krogstadt and Mrs Linde! I don't think your argument falls apart as much as you think it does. His self-hatred and hateful behaviour towards Nora end when Mrs Linde no longer fears his reputational and economic demise. When she commits to him fully and no longer fears his actions, he is able to let go of his hatred.
  • I love how you hinge the idea on ugliness! I would go a little deeper, though. Think about when the 'ugliness' does come between them and Helmer has a complete emotional breakdown. He displays hateful (which you could argue is another way to define 'hate') behaviour towards Nora until the fear of reputational damage is removed. Then he expects her to just go back to normal once his fear has passed.
  • Do you think Nora displays hate? If so, to whom? Or to what situation? Or, thinking about the letter situation later in the play, what object? Does that stem from fear?
  • I like your point about them not actually investing in the rules of their society and therefore being consumed with fear of reputation! I think you need to make it stronger by tying it back to the fact that even though Nora sees that the rules are 'stupid', she still ultimately feels emotional turmoil because of them. So it must be fear of reputational damage and fear of her husband's reaction, rather than any moral inclination that makes her feel the way she does!
  • Don't fall into the trap of talking about fear in isolation! Every sentence you write should grapple with whether or not hate = fear!

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